Accredited Standards Committee*
InterNational Committee for Information Technology Standards (INCITS)
Doc. No.: T10/04-368r0
Date: November 17, 2004
Reply to: John Lohmeyer
To: T10 Membership
From: Ralph Weber / John Lohmeyer
Subject: Minutes of T10 Plenary Meeting #64 -- November 11, 2004
Austin, TX
Agenda
1. Opening Remarks
2. Approval of Agenda
3. Attendance and Membership
4. Approval of Minutes - September 2004 Meeting - Nashua, NH
(T10/04-289r0)
5. Document Distribution
6. Call for Patents
7. Review of Old Action Items
8. Project Status Reports
8.1 Project Status Summary and INCITS Liaison [Lohmeyer]
8.1.1 INCITS Antitrust Guidelines
8.2 Object-based Storage Devices Commands (OSD) Project 1355-D [Weber]
8.3 SCSI Medium Changer Commands - 2 (SMC-2) Project 1383-D [Oetting]
8.4 SCSI Primary Commands - 3 (SPC-3) Project 1416-D [Weber]
8.5 SCSI Block Commands - 2 (SBC-2) Project 1417-D [Elliott]
8.6 SCSI RDMA Protocol - 2 (SRP-2) Project 1524-D [open]
8.7 Bridge Controller Commands (BCC) Project 1528-D [Elliott]
8.8 MultiMedia Command Set - 4 (MMC-4) Project 1545-D [McFerrin]
8.9 Automation/Drive Interface - Transport Protocol (ADT) Project 1557-D
[Entzel]
8.10 Automation/Drive Interface - Commands (ADC) Project 1558-D
[Entzel/Wideman]
8.11 SCSI Enclosure Services - 2 (SES-2) Project 1559-D [Elliott]
8.12 Fibre Channel Protocol - 3 (FCP-3) Project 1560-D [Peterson]
8.13 SCSI Architecture Model - 3 (SAM-3) Project 1561-D [Weber]
8.14 Serial Attached SCSI - 1.1 (SAS-1.1) Project 1601-D [Elliott]
8.15 SCSI Stream Commands - 3 (SSC-3) Project 1611-D [Peterson]
8.16 MultiMedia Command Set - 5 (MMC-5) Project 1675-D [McFerrin]
8.17 SCSI Architecture Model - 4 (SAM-4) Project 1683-D [Penokie]
8.18 SCSI / ATA Translation (SAT) Project 1711-D [Sheffield]
8.19 SCSI Primary Commands - 4 (SPC-4) Project 1729-D [Weber]
8.20 SCSI Media Changer Command Set - 3 (SMC-3) Project 1730-D [open]
8.21 Object-Based Storage Devices - 2 (OSD-2) Project 1731-D [Weber]
9. Old Business
10. New Business
10.1 Project Proposal for Automation/Drive Interface - Commands - 2
(ADC-2) (04-306r1) [Suhler]
10.2 Project Proposal for Automation/Drive Interface - Transport Protocol
- 2 (ADT-2) (04-307r1) [Suhler]
10.3 Project proposal for Serial Attached SCSI Driver Interface (SDI)
(04-345r1) [Fairchild and Elliott]
10.4 Actions on SAS Protocol Working Group Recommendations
10.5 Actions on SAS PHY Working Group Recommendations
10.6 Actions on CAP Working Group Recommendations
10.7 Actions on Other Working Group Recommendations
11. ISO/IEC
11.1 ISO/IEC Report [Robinson]
11.2 ISO/IEC Business [Robinson]
11.2.1 NWIP for SAS-1.1 (04-126r0) [Elliott]
11.2.2 FDIS for SPC-2 [Robinson]
12. Liaison Reports
12.1 T11 Liaison Report [Snively]
12.2 T13 Liaison Report [Colegrove]
12.3 SFF Industry Group [Allan]
12.4 IEEE 1394 [Johansson]
12.5 SCSI Trade Association (STA) [Czekalski]
12.6 IETF SCSI over IP [Black/Robinson]
12.7 SNIA [Cummings]
12.8 SATA II [Cox/open]
12.9 Trusted Computing Group [Fitzpatrick]
13. Review of Action Items
14. Meeting Schedule
14.1 Authorization of Working Group Meetings
15. Adjournment
Results of Meeting
1. Opening Remarks
John Lohmeyer, the T10 Chair, called the meeting to order at 9:00 a.m.,
Thursday November 11, 2004. He thanked Dexter Anderson of Crossroads Systems
for hosting the meeting.
John said that INCITS subgroup membership forms and the T10 document
subscription forms are available on the meeting web site. He said that people
should use these forms to ensure the INCITS Secretariat has the latest
membership information. These forms should be mailed directly to the INCITS
Secretariat.
As is customary, the people attending introduced themselves. Attendance was
taken electronically via the meeting web site.
2. Approval of Agenda
No additions/changes were made to the draft agenda.
John Lohmeyer moved and Ralph Weber seconded that the agenda be approved. In
the absence of any objections, the motion passed unanimously.
The following items were added/revised during the course of the meeting:
11.2.2 FDIS for SPC-2 [Robinson]
3. Attendance and Membership
The membership requirements were reviewed. INCITS rules permit one vote per
organization. An individual from a new organization must attend two out of
three consecutive plenary meetings. He/she may apply for voting membership the
second meeting via a letter to the Chair of T10. The individual may begin
voting at the beginning of his/her second meeting.
To maintain membership, organizations must pay the INCITS Service Fee ($800).
John briefly discussed the mailing fees. Complete pricing information is
contained in the 2004 membership form (available at
ftp://ftp.t10.org/t10/mem_form.txt).
There are also minimum attendance requirements to maintain voting membership
on T10. If a member organization fails to attend two of the last three T10
meetings, they are warned that failing to attend the next T10 meeting would
result in their membership being terminated.
The Chair said he had sent letters to 9 people from 5 organizations informing
them that their membership was in jeopardy due to non-attendance (see
04-324r1) and that their membership would be terminated if they did not attend
this meeting. The following organizations were in attendance jeopardy:
Amphenol Interconnect
Pivot3, Inc.
QLogic Corp.
Storage Technology Corp.
UNISYS Corporation
All the organizations in attendance jeopardy were present except:
UNISYS Corporation
For the organizations in jeopardy that failed to attend the meeting, the
members from that organization had their membership changed to non-voting
status.
No organizations became voting members of T10 at this meeting.
The T10 membership during the meeting was 40 organizations down from the 41
member organizations prior to the meeting. Enclosure (1) is the list of the
people present at the meeting and enclosure (2) is the current T10 membership
list.
John Lohmeyer reminded members that failure to vote on two out of the last
three letter ballots also would result in membership jeopardy and then noted
that no organizations are currently in letter ballot jeopardy. However, four
organizations will be in letter ballot jeopardy if they do not vote on the
next letter ballot:
T10 Letter Ballot Jeopardy Report -- 2004/10/25
Ballot: 04-326r0
Report: 04-327r0
Acronym: ADT SBC-2 SPC-3
Organization
--------------------------------- ------------ ------------ ------------
Agilent Technologies Yes No DNV
General Dynamics Yes DNV Yes
Hitachi Cable Manchester Yes DNV Yes
Philips Electronics Yes DNV Yes
QLogic Corp. Yes DNV DNV
(*)
Key:
Yes Organization voted Yes
No Organization voted No
Abs Organization voted Abstain
DNV Organization failed to return letter ballot
-- Organization was not a voting member for the letter ballot
(*) Organization is in letter ballot jeopardy
4. Approval of Minutes - September 2004 Meeting - Nashua, NH
(T10/04-289r0)
John Lohmeyer moved and Ralph Weber seconded that the minutes be approved. In
the absence of any objections, the motion passed unanimously.
5. Document Distribution
Members who have any problems with their mailing subscription should deal
directly with Parthenia Purnell (ppurnell@itic.org) (202) 626-5741. A
subscription form is included on the meeting disk.
John Lohmeyer requested that all documents for the next mailing be uploaded to
the T10 web site by 10:30 a.m. on Thursday November 18, 2004. Documents
received after this time may go into a subsequent mailing.
John reminded the committee of the requirements for document submission. Since
T10 meets its document retention requirements by preparing mailings, documents
included in the mailing must be suitable for archiving. This means that
native-format and/or Portable Document Format (PDF) electronic originals with
proper identification must be submitted.
People can obtain T10 document numbers and revised T10 document numbers by
filling out a web form at http://www.t10.org/members/. The assigned T10
document number will be sent to the requestor by e-mail. The requestor may
then reply to this email, including the document to be posted as an
attachment. The document will be automatically posted on the T10 web site.
T10 members can complete this entire process using their personal T10
password. John explained that members who do not know their password should
surf to the above URL and click on the "forgot password" link to have their
password sent to them via e-mail.
John noted that non-members can also use the above document number process,
but their requests will require approval by an administrator.
Minutes are available on the T10 World Wide Web page (see below), and are
distributed to the T10 Reflector.
To be added to the T10 Reflector, send an e-mail to majordomo@t10.org with the
line 'subscribe t10' in the message body.
The INCITS Secretariat maintains a World Wide Web page at:
http://www.incits.org/.
LSI Logic maintains a web site on behalf of T10 on a server donated by the
SCSI Trade Association at:
http://www.t10.org/
There is also a mirror site at:
http://www.t11.org/t10/
The T10 document register is available at:
ftp://ftp.t10.org/t10/dr.txt
6. Call for Patents
John Lohmeyer explained that this is a regular agenda item to identify any
potential patent issues with developing standards and technical reports.
A document is available from ANSI, "Procedures for the Development and
Coordination of American National Standards", at no charge. This document is
also on the WWW at http://www.incits.org/help/ansi_sdo.html. Section 1.2.11
contains the ANSI patent policy. The contact for INCITS patent issues is Lynn
Barra (lbarra at itic dot org) or (202) 626-5739. Gene Milligan prepared a
useful "Handy dandy Technical Committee's Patents Guide", which is available
at ftp://ftp.t10.org/t10/document.99/99-291r0.pdf.
John Lohmeyer presented a summary of the ANSI patent policy prepared by Gary
Robinson. The summary is also included on the Rules and Procedures (plus
Patent Information) page on the T10 web site.
Bob Sheffield reminded the committee that a statement of the Intel patent
policy can be found in T10/01-041r0.
John asked that anyone who knows of other applicable patents to contact him.
There were no other responses to the call for patents other than those
mentioned above.
7. Review of Old Action Items
579 Ralph Weber will prepare SPC-3 revision 21. Complete.
580 John Lohmeyer will conduct a Letter Ballot on forwarding SPC-3 revision
21 to Public Review. Complete.
581 John Lohmeyer will communicate to INCITS that the name of the MSC
project has changed to Bridge Controller Commands (BCC). Complete.
582 John Lohmeyer will forward MMC-4 revision 3d to INCITS for further
processing toward first Public Review. Complete.
583 Rod Wideman will prepare ADC revision 7. Complete.
584 John Lohmeyer will forward ADC revision 7 to INCITS for further
processing toward first Public Review. Complete.
585 Ralph Weber will prepare SAM-3 revision 14. Complete.
586 John Lohmeyer will forward SAM-3 revision 14 to INCITS for further
processing towards first Public Review. Complete.
587 John Lohmeyer will forward 04-173r1 to INCITS for further processing as
a new project proposal for OSD-2. Complete.
588 John Lohmeyer will forward 04-252r0 to INCITS for further processing as
a new project proposal for SPC-4. Complete.
589 John Lohmeyer will forward 04-279r0 to INCITS for further processing as
a new project proposal for SMC-3. Complete.
590 John Lohmeyer will forward 04-254r0, an ISO NWIP for SAM-3, to INCITS.
Complete.
8. Project Status Reports
8.1 Project Status Summary and INCITS Liaison [Lohmeyer]
John Lohmeyer said that the current T10 project status summary was included on
the meeting web site and will be included in the mailing as usual.
8.1.1 INCITS Antitrust Guidelines
All T10 members should be aware of the INCITS antitrust guidelines available
at http://www.incits.org/natrust.htm.
John reminded committee members that all persons present at a T10 meeting is
responsible for identifying potential violations of the antitrust guidelines
and reporting them to the chair. Discussions of the following topics are
considered sensitive:
* Any company's prices or pricing policies;
* Specific R&D, sales and marketing plans;
* Any company's confidential product, product development or production
strategies;
* Whether certain suppliers or customers will be served;
* Prices paid to input sources; or
* Complaints about individual firms or other actions that might tend to
hinder a competitor in any market.
8.2 Object-based Storage Devices Commands (OSD) Project 1355-D [Weber]
John Lohmeyer reported that OSD had successfully completed first public review
and INCITS management review. It is now at INCITS 30-day letter ballot for
approval. Assuming it passes, OSD should be published yet this year.
8.3 SCSI Medium Changer Commands - 2 (SMC-2) Project 1383-D [Oetting]
John Lohmeyer reported that SMC-2 has been approved and published by ANSI as
INCITS 382-2004. He congratulated Erich Oetting, the SMC-2 Technical Editor.
8.4 SCSI Primary Commands - 3 (SPC-3) Project 1416-D [Weber]
John Lohmeyer reported that SPC-3 revision 21 had passed forwarding letter
ballot 33:5:1:2=41 as documented in 04-327r1. Comments were received from 11
organizations.
Ralph Weber reported that the letter ballot comments resolution document is
04-355r1. The CAP working group and a special SPC-3 letter ballot comments
resolution meeting following this meeting will address as many of the
unresolved comments as possible.
8.5 SCSI Block Commands - 2 (SBC-2) Project 1417-D [Elliott]
Rob Elliott reported that the CAP working group had recommended that the
proposed letter ballot resolution (04-274r2) be approved and that SBC-2
revision 16 be forwarded to INCITS for first public review.
Rob Elliott moved that 04-274r2 be approved as resolving the SBC-2 letter
ballot comments, that SBC-2 revision 16 be accepted as incorporating the SBC-2
letter ballot comments resolutions, and that SBC-2 revision 16 be forwarded to
INCITS for further processing towards first public review. Bill Galloway
seconded the motion. The motion passed 33:0:0:7=40.
Based on the successful resolution of the letter ballot comments, the
following people asked that their organization's No votes be changed to Yes:
Pat Thaler, Agilent Technologies; Robert Snively, Brocade; Ralph Weber, ENDL,
George Penokie, IBM Corp.; Mark Evans, Maxtor Corp.; and Alvin Cox, Seagate
Technology.
John Lohmeyer took an action item to forward SBC-2 revision 16 to INCITS for
further processing toward first Public Review.
8.6 SCSI RDMA Protocol - 2 (SRP-2) Project 1524-D [open]
Cris Simpson sent John Lohmeyer an email in which he said that he is no longer
able to continue as theh SRP-2 Technical Editor. John said he would issue a
call for an SRP-2 Technical Editor on the T10 Reflector. If there is no
response by the January meeting, he plans to move that this project be closed.
8.7 Bridge Controller Commands (BCC) Project 1528-D [Elliott]
Rob Elliott reported that BCC r0 was posted after the last meeting. SPC-3 will
be assigning a device type code to BCC as part of the letter ballot
resolution. Rob reported that a new revision will not be posted following this
meeting.
8.8 MultiMedia Command Set - 4 (MMC-4) Project 1545-D [McFerrin]
Bill McFerrin reported that a substantive error had been discovered in MMC-4
during the public review period.
Bill McFerrin moved that T10 approve the substantive changes in MMC-4 revision
5 and that T10 forward MMC-4 revision 5 to INCITS for second public review.
Bill Galloway seconded the motion. The motion passed on a roll call motion by
36:0:0:4=40 as follows:
Organization Voter Vote
Adaptec, Inc. Tim Symons Yes
Agilent Technologies Pat Thaler Yes
Amphenol Interconnect Brian Miller Yes
Brocade Robert Snively Yes
Cisco Systems, Inc. (not present)
CNT David Peterson Yes
Crossroads Systems, Inc. Dexter Anderson Yes
Dallas Semiconductor James A. Lott, Jr. Yes
Dell, Inc. Kevin Marks Yes
EMC Corp. Gary S. Robinson Yes
Emulex Robert H. Nixon Yes
ENDL Ralph O. Weber Yes
FCI Douglas Wagner Yes
Foxconn Electronics Elwood Parsons Yes
Fujitsu Mike Fitzpatrick Yes
General Dynamics (not present)
Hewlett Packard Co. Rob Elliott Yes
Hitachi Cable Manchester Zane Daggett Yes
Hitachi Global Storage Tech. Dan Colegrove Yes
IBM Corp. George O. Penokie Yes
Intel Corp. Robert Sheffield Yes
Iomega Corp. David Hawks Yes
LSI Logic Corp. John Lohmeyer Yes
Maxtor Corp. Mark Evans Yes
Microsoft Corp. Emily Hill Yes
Molex Inc. Jay Neer Yes
Panasonic Technologies, Inc Terence J. Nelson Yes
Philips Electronics William P. McFerrin Yes
Pivot3, Inc. Bill Galloway Yes
PMC-Sierra Rachelle Trent Yes
QLogic Corp. Greg Elkins Yes
Quantum Corp. Paul Entzel Yes
Seagate Technology Jim Coomes Yes
Storage Technology Corp. (not present)
Sun Microsystems, Inc. Vit Novak Yes
Texas Instruments Robert Kando Yes
Toshiba (not present)
TycoElectronics Ashlie Fan Yes
Veritas Software Roger Cummings Yes
Western Digital Curtis Stevens Yes
John Lohmeyer took an action item to forward MMC-4 revision 5 to INCITS for
further processing toward second Public Review.
8.9 Automation/Drive Interface - Transport Protocol (ADT) Project 1557-D
[Entzel]
Paul Entzel reported on the activities of the ADI working group (minutes in
04-385r0).
Paul Entzel moved that 04-162r2 be approved as resolving the ADT letter ballot
comments, that ADT revision 14 be accepted as incorporating the ADT letter
ballot comments resolutions, and that ADT revision 14 be forwarded to INCITS
for further processing towards first public review. David Hawks seconded the
motion. The motion passed 36:0:0:4=40.
Based on the successful resolution of the letter ballot comments, the
following people asked that their organization's No votes be changed to Yes:
George Penokie, IBM Corp.; John Lohmeyer, LSI Logic Corp.; and Jim Coomes,
Seagate Technology.
John Lohmeyer took an action item to forward ADT revision 14 to INCITS for
further processing toward first Public Review.
8.10 Automation/Drive Interface - Commands (ADC) Project 1558-D
[Entzel/Wideman]
John Lohmeyer reported that the first pubic review on ADC closes on 22
November 2004.
8.11 SCSI Enclosure Services - 2 (SES-2) Project 1559-D [Elliott]
Rob Elliott reported that no proposals have been approved for incorporation in
SES-2 so the working draft will remain at revision 9.
8.12 Fibre Channel Protocol - 3 (FCP-3) Project 1560-D [Peterson]
Dave Peterson reported on the activities of the FCP-3 working group (minutes
in 04-395r0).
8.13 SCSI Architecture Model - 3 (SAM-3) Project 1561-D [Weber]
John Lohmeyer reported that the SAM-3 first public review period ends 22
November 2004. So far no comments have been received.
8.14 Serial Attached SCSI - 1.1 (SAS-1.1) Project 1601-D [Elliott]
Rob Elliott reported that SAS-1.1 revision 7 will incorporate all the
proposals approved by this meeting. He stated that the target date for the
forwarding letter ballot is January 2005.
8.15 SCSI Stream Commands - 3 (SSC-3) Project 1611-D [Peterson]
Dave Peterson reported on the activities of the SSC-3 working group (minutes
in 04-390r0).
8.16 MultiMedia Command Set - 5 (MMC-5) Project 1675-D [McFerrin]
Bill McFerrin reported that the working group reviewed some new proposals for
MMC-5 content. The content of r1 was reviewed. New proposals are expected next
year from the Mt. Fuji group.
8.17 SCSI Architecture Model - 4 (SAM-4) Project 1683-D [Penokie]
George Penokie reported that work on SAM-4 is awaiting delivery of a stable
SAM-3 source.
8.18 SCSI / ATA Translation (SAT) Project 1711-D [Sheffield]
Bob Sheffield provided an electronic report (04-396r0) on the recent SAT
activities and reviewed the activities orally with the committee. He stated a
goal of conducting a letter ballot around March or May of next year.
8.19 SCSI Primary Commands - 4 (SPC-4) Project 1729-D [Weber]
Ralph Weber stated that r0 of SPC-4 will not be uploaded until the ANSI
Editor's comments on SPC-3 are processed.
8.20 SCSI Media Changer Command Set - 3 (SMC-3) Project 1730-D [open]
Michael Banther reported on the activities of the SMC-3 working group (minutes
in 04-386r0). He noted that a firm deadline of January has been set for
identifying an editor.
8.21 Object-Based Storage Devices - 2 (OSD-2) Project 1731-D [Weber]
Ralph Weber reported that OSD-2 r0 is available on the T10 web site and is OSD
r10 plus the ANSI Editor's comments on OSD r10. There is no indication that
another revision will be produced before the January meeting.
9. Old Business
There was no old business.
10. New Business
10.1 Project Proposal for Automation/Drive Interface - Commands - 2 (ADC-2)
(04-306r1) [Suhler]
Paul Suhler presented the ADC-2 project proposal, 04-306r0. The committee
requested minor changes and Paul agreed to prepare a r1. Paul Entzel moved
that 04-306r1 be approved as a new project proposal for Automation/Drive
Interface - Commands - 2 (ADC-2). Curtis Stevens seconded the motion.
The motion passed on a two-thirds vote of 35:0:0:5=40.
John Lohmeyer took an action item to forward 04-306r1 to INCITS for further
processing as a new project proposal for ADC-2.
10.2 Project Proposal for Automation/Drive Interface - Transport Protocol -
2 (ADT-2) (04-307r1) [Suhler]
Paul Suhler presented the ADT-2 project proposal, 04-307r0. The committee
requested minor changes and Paul agreed to prepare a r1. Paul Entzel moved
that 04-307r1 be approved as a new project proposal for Automation/Drive
Interface - Transport Protocol - 2 (ADT-2). David Hawks seconded the motion.
The motion passed on a two-thirds vote of 35:0:0:5=40.
John Lohmeyer took an action item to forward 04-307r0 to INCITS for further
processing as a new project proposal for ADT-2.
10.3 Project proposal for Serial Attached SCSI Driver Interface (SDI)
(04-345r1) [Fairchild and Elliott]
Rob Elliott presented the SDI project proposal, 04-345r1. Emily Hill stated
that Microsoft was opposed to the proposal because it specifies an interface
that is not the appropriate purview of T10. Mark Overby stated that there are
numerous problems with defining IOCTL interfaces. Rob Elliott stated that the
proposal allows management and diagnostic tools to gain access to the SMP and
STP services that the main driver path is never going to expose.
Rob Elliott moved that 04-345r1 be approved as a new project proposal for
Serial Attached SCSI Driver Interface (SDI). Kevin Marks seconded the motion.
The motion passed on a two-thirds vote of 19:6:12:3=40.
Bob Snively stated that his abstention was based on a belief that the
resulting standard will gain insufficient acceptance to make the work
worthwhile.
John Lohmeyer took an action item to forward 04-345r1 to INCITS for further
processing as a new project proposal for SDI.
10.4 Actions on SAS Protocol Working Group Recommendations
The recommendations from the SAS-1.1 working group (minutes in 04-366r0) were
presented to the committee.
George Penokie reviewed the following proposals recommended for inclusion in
SAS-1.1:
03-245r6 (Adding the Terminate Data Transfer protocol service) [Evans]
04-329r0 (Missing Protocol Identifier field) [Penokie]
04-357r1 (Another Port Selector Detection Gap) [Sheffield]
04-339r1 (Remove minimum ALIGN counts from summary table) [Elliott]
04-341r1 (Do not reset Arbitration Wait Time timer on incoming OPEN) [Elliott]
04-352r1 (Phy test functions for SMP) [Elliott]
04-346r0 (SMP initiator state machine corrections) [Elliott]
Rob Elliott moved that 04-341r1,
04-346r0 be approved for inclusion in SAS-1.1. Bill Galloway
seconded the motion. The motion passed on a vote of 30:0:3:7=40.
George Penokie reviewed 04-363r0 (DONE Timeout vs ACK NAK Timeout race
condition note) a proposal from Rob Elliott.
Rob Elliott moved that 04-363r0 be approved for inclusion in SAS-1.1. Bill
Galloway seconded the motion. The motion passed on a vote of 15:4:13:8=40.
10.5 Actions on SAS PHY Working Group Recommendations
The recommendations from the SAS PHY working group (minutes in 04-394r0) were
presented to the committee.
George Penokie and Alvin Cox reviewed the following proposals recommended for
inclusion in SAS-1.1:
04-331r1 (PHY Definitions and Acronyms update) [Ham]
04-332r1 (PHY jitter MJSQ modifications) [Ham]
Rob Elliott moved that 04-332r1 be approved for inclusion in
SAS-1.1. Alvin Cox seconded the motion. The motion passed on a vote of
30:0:2:8=40.
Rob Elliott reviewed the 04-222r2 (More phy test patterns). He noted that the
changes requested by the SAS Phy group made the proposal more consistent with
the SATA BIST (Built-In Self Test) function.
Mark Evans stated that the SAS Protocol working group requested that the SAS
Phy group select some specific dwords. He stated that the proposal as written
is unrestricted with respect to the dword patterns that can be generated.
Rob Elliott and Jim Coomes stated that the patterns are intended to test
components.
John Lohmeyer asked if there would be any objections to remanding the proposal
to a joint Phy/Protocol working group. No objections were raised. This topic
will be covered beginning at 8:00 a.m. on Tuesday, January 18, 2005.
10.6 Actions on CAP Working Group Recommendations
The recommendations from the CAP working group (minutes in 04-367r1) were
presented to the committee.
George Penokie reviewed 04-376r1 (Task priority cleanup) [Elliott], a proposal
recommended for SAM-4 and SAS-1.1. Rob Elliott moved that 04-376r1 be approved
for SAM-4 and SAS-1.1. Bill Galloway seconded the motion. The motion passed on
a vote of 29:0:1:10=40.
10.7 Actions on Other Working Group Recommendations
George Penokie and Ralph Weber reviewed 04-294r1 (FCP-3 & Optional Headers), a
proposal recommended for inclusion in FCP-3. Ralph Weber moved that 04-294r1
be approved for inclusion in FCP-3. Bob Snively seconded the motion. The
motion passed on a vote of 30:0:2:8=40.
11. ISO/IEC
11.1 ISO/IEC Report [Robinson]
Gary Robinson presented the ISO/IEC report (04-360r1).
11.2 ISO/IEC Business [Robinson]
11.2.1 NWIP for SAS-1.1 (04-126r0) [Elliott]
Gary Robinson requested that this agenda item be carried over until the
January 2005 meeting since SAS-1.1 has not been sent to letter ballot.
11.2.2 FDIS for SPC-2 [Robinson]
Gary Robinson moved that the IR be instructed to report that T10 has reviewed
project ISO/IEC FDIS SPC-2, 1.25.13.11.27, 14776-452, and recommends that
the JTC1/SC25 TAG vote to approve said FDIS. Bob Nixon seconded the motion.
The motion passed on a roll call motion by 31:0:0:9=40 as follows:
Organization Voter Vote
Adaptec, Inc. Tim Symons Yes
Agilent Technologies Pat Thaler Yes
Amphenol Interconnect Brian Miller Yes
Brocade Robert Snively Yes
Cisco Systems, Inc. (not present)
CNT David Peterson Yes
Crossroads Systems, Inc. Dexter Anderson Yes
Dallas Semiconductor James A. Lott, Jr. Yes
Dell, Inc. Kevin Marks Yes
EMC Corp. Gary S. Robinson Yes
Emulex Robert H. Nixon Yes
ENDL Ralph O. Weber Yes
FCI Douglas Wagner Yes
Foxconn Electronics (not present)
Fujitsu (not present)
General Dynamics (not present)
Hewlett Packard Co. Rob Elliott Yes
Hitachi Cable Manchester Zane Daggett Yes
Hitachi Global Storage Tech. Dan Colegrove Yes
IBM Corp. George O. Penokie Yes
Intel Corp. Robert Sheffield Yes
Iomega Corp. David Hawks Yes
LSI Logic Corp. John Lohmeyer Yes
Maxtor Corp. Martin Czekalski Yes
Microsoft Corp. Emily Hill Yes
Molex Inc. (not present)
Panasonic Technologies, Inc Terence J. Nelson Yes
Philips Electronics William P. McFerrin Yes
Pivot3, Inc. (not present)
PMC-Sierra Rachelle Trent Yes
QLogic Corp. (not present)
Quantum Corp. Paul Entzel Yes
Seagate Technology Jim Coomes Yes
Storage Technology Corp. Erich Oetting Yes
Sun Microsystems, Inc. Vit Novak Yes
Texas Instruments Robert Kando Yes
Toshiba (not present)
TycoElectronics (not present)
Veritas Software Roger Cummings Yes
Western Digital Curtis Stevens Yes
Gary Robinson took an action item to communicate to INCITS that T10 recommends
that the JTC1/SC25 TAG vote to approve the project ISO/IEC FDIS SPC-2,
1.25.13.11.27, 14776-452 FDIS.
12. Liaison Reports
12.1 T11 Liaison Report [Snively]
Bob Snively presented the T11 liaison report contained in T10/04-361r1.
12.2 T13 Liaison Report [Colegrove]
Dan Colegrove provided an oral report to the committee on the activities of
T13. He noted that the principle activity of the committee is the ATA/ATAPI-8
project. For details regarding T13 activities see www.t13.org.
12.3 SFF Industry Group [Allan]
In the absence of Dal Allan, no report was available.
12.4 IEEE 1394 [Johansson]
In the absence of Peter Johansson, no report was available.
12.5 SCSI Trade Association (STA) [Czekalski]
Marty Czekalski presented an electronic report on the activities of the SCSI
Trade Association available in 04-399r0.
12.6 IETF SCSI over IP [Black/Robinson]
Pat Thaler reported that the IPS group is working on iSCSI over RDMA, known as
iSER, and various MIBs.
12.7 SNIA [Cummings]
Roger Cummings provided an electronic report on SNIA activities (04-399r0) and
reviewed the report for the committee.
12.8 SATA II [Cox/open]
Alvin Cox reported that SATA II does not exist anymore and SATA I/O does not
plan to provide a liaison. Alvin requested that this item be removed from
future agendas.
12.9 Trusted Computing Group [Fitzpatrick]
Mike Fitzpatrick reported that a definition of trusted computing commands
should be coming into T10 next spring.
13. Review of Action Items
591 John Lohmeyer will forward SBC-2 revision 16 to INCITS for further
processing toward first Public Review.
592 John Lohmeyer will forward MMC-4 revision 5 to INCITS for further
processing toward second Public Review.
593 John Lohmeyer will forward ADT revision 14 to INCITS for further
processing toward first Public Review.
594 John Lohmeyer will forward 04-306r1 to INCITS for further processing as
a new project proposal for ADC-2.
595 John Lohmeyer will forward 04-307r0 to INCITS for further processing as
a new project proposal for ADT-2.
596 John Lohmeyer will forward 04-345r1 to INCITS for further processing as
a new project proposal for SDI.
597 Gary Robinson will communicate to INCITS that T10 recommends that the
JTC1/SC25 TAG vote to approve the project ISO/IEC FDIS SPC-2, 1.25.13.11.27,
14776-452 FDIS.
14. Meeting Schedule
The next plenary meeting of T10 will be Thursday January 20, 2005 in Las
Vegas, NV at the Tropicana Hotel (800-643-4000), hosted by Hitachi GST. The
meeting will begin at 9:00 a.m. on Thursday.
The meeting list for the next plenary week is:
January 2005 Meeting Map
(2004/11/11 Version)
Monday 1/17 9 10 11 12 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8
+===============+ +=============+
| ADI-2 WG | | SMC-3 WG | (10)
+===============+=====+=============+===+
| SAS Protocol WG / SDI WG | (40)
+=======================================+
| Mt. Fuji | (30)
+---------------------------------------+
Tuesday 1/18 8 9 10 11 12 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8
+===========================================+
| SAS Physical WG | (25)
+=====================+=================+===+
|SCSI/ATA Trans WG| CAP WG | (40)
+===============+-+-------------+===+
| FCP-3 WG | STA Marcom * | (20)
+---------------+---------------+---+
| T11 Ad hoc | (30)
+-----------------------------------+---+
| Mt. Fuji | (30)
+---------------------------------------+
Wednesday 1/19 9 10 11 12 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8
+===================================+
| CAP WG | (40)
+===================================+
| MMC WG | (25)
+===============+=======+===========+
| SSC-3 | |SFF | (30)
+===============+-------+-------+---+
| STA Plenary * /Adm*/ TCC* | (20)
+---------------+---------------+---+
| T11 Ad hoc | (20)
+-----------------------------------+
Thursday 1/20 8 9 10 11 12 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8
+===============+=====================+
| T10 Plenary |SPC-3 LB/SAS-1.1 Edit| (45/15)
+===============+===========+=========+
| FCIA Board Meeting * | (12)
+---------------------------+
Friday 1/21 8 9 10 11 12 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8
+=================+
| SPC-3 LB/SAS-1.1| (15)
+=================+
/ means the next meeting starts when the previous meeting concludes
Meetings marked with == are T10-authorized meetings.
Meetings marked with -- are other groups and may change without notice.
Meetings marked with (*) are closed meetings of other groups.
Other T10-authorized meetings:
Meeting Date Location / Contact
-------------- ------------------ --------------------------------------
SAS PHY Calls Weekly TBA via T10 reflector / Cox
SAT WG Call Dec 2 9:00 PDT Notice (TBA) / Bob Sheffield
SSC-3 WG Call Dec 2 9:30 CST Dave Peterson
SAT WG Dec 16-17, 2004 With T13 in Las Vegas / Colegrove
Map Abbreviation Key:
ADI: Automation Drive Interface (tape library interface)
Amnd: Amendment
CAP: Commands, Architecture, and Protocols
Fast-80: Data Transfer at 80 Mega-transfers/sec. (a.k.a., Ultra3,Ultra160)
Fast-160: Data Transfer at 160 Mega-transfers/sec. (a.k.a., Ultra320)
FC: Fibre Channel
I/F: Interface
IETF: Internet Engineering Task Force (the group that sets
Internet standards)
iFC: Internet Fibre Channel
IPS: Internet Protocol SCSI
iSCSI: Internet SCSI
LB: Letter Ballot
MMC: Multimedia Commands (CD-ROM, DVD, etc.)
OSD: Object-based Storage Device
Par.: Parallel (e.g., SPI-n)
PH or PHY: Physical (Connectors, Cables, Transceivers, etc.)
PIP: (SCSI) Passive Interconnect Performance
Plenary: Full Committee Meeting
Res: Resolution
SAS: Serial Attached SCSI
SBC-2: SCSI Block Commands - 2
SBP-3: Serial Bus Protocol - 3
SCSI: Small Computer System Interface
SES: SCSI Enclosure Services
SFF: SFF Industry Group (not an INCITS activity)
SG: Study Group
SMC-2: SCSI Medium Changer - 2 Commands
SPC-3: SCSI Primary Commands - 2 (3rd generation)
SPI-4: Fourth Generation SCSI Parallel Interface
SPI-5: Fifth Generation SCSI Parallel Interface
SRP: SCSI RDMA Protocol (was SVP)
SRP-2: SCSI RDMA Protocol (2nd generation)
SSC-2: SCSI Stream Commands - 2 (includes Tape)
SSM-2: SCSI Signal Modeling (2nd generation)
SSWGs: Specific-Subject Working Groups
STA: SCSI Trade Association (Closed meeting -- not an INCITS activity)
STA Marcom: STA Marketing Communications (Closed meeting -- not an INCITS
activity)
STA Tech: STA Technical Meeting (T10 members invited)
STP: Serial ATA Tunneled Protocol
T10: SCSI Storage Interfaces Technical Committee
T11: Device Level Interfaces Technical Committee
WG: Working Group (same as Ad Hoc Group)
For more information about T10 activities, please contact the following
people:
Activity Contact Telephone/Email
---------------------------- --------------- ------------------------------
ADT Paul Entzel (720) 406-5782
paul.entzel@quantum.com
ADC Rod Wideman (720) 249-5796
rod.wideman@adic.com
SBC-2, SES-2, SAS-1.1, BCC Rob Elliott (281) 518-5037
Elliott@hp.com
MMC-4, MMC-5 Bill McFerrin (325) 423-1560
billmc@tstar.net
SBP-3 Peter Johansson (510) 527-3926
PJohansson@ACM.org
SAM-4 George Penokie (507) 253-5208
gpenokie@tivoli.com
SMC-2 Erich Oetting (303) 673-2178
Erich_Oetting@Stortek.com
SPC-3, SAM-3, SPC-4, OSD-2 Ralph Weber (214) 912-1373
roweber@acm.org
SSC-3, FCP-3 Dave Peterson (763) 268-6139
david_peterson@cnt.com
Other Activities John Lohmeyer (719) 533-7560
lohmeyer@t10.org
The long-term T10 meeting week schedule is:
Date Location Host/Comments
------------------ ------------------------- -----------------------------
Jan 17-21, 2005 Las Vegas, NV Hitachi GST
Mar 7-11, 2005 Dana Point, CA QLogic
May 2-6, 2005 Oklahoma City, OK Fujitsu
Jul 11-15, 2005 Colorado Springs, CO LSI Logic
Sep 12-16, 2005 Vancouver, BC PMC Sierra
Nov 7-11, 2005 Austin, TX Dell Computer
Approved dates for 2006; proposed locations and hosts:
Jan 9-13, 2006 Phoenix, AZ Intel Corp.
Mar 6-10, 2006
May 8-12, 2006
Jul 10-14, 2006 Colorado Springs, CO LSI Logic
Sep 11-15, 2006 Nashua, NH Hitachi Cable Manchester
Nov 6-10, 2006
Proposed dates for 2007:
Jan 15-19, 2007
Mar 12-16, 2007
May 7-11, 2007
Jul 9-13, 2007
Sep 17-21, 2007 (to avoid conflicts with the Jewish High Holy Days)
Nov 5-9, 2007
John Lohmeyer asked people interested hosting one of the above meetings to
contact him.
John Lohmeyer moved that T10 approve the November 2005 meeting location and
host, the 2006 meeting locations and identified hosts, and the 2007 meeting
dates. Mark Evans seconded the motion. In the absence of any objections, the
motion passed unanimously.
14.1 Authorization of Working Group Meetings
John noted that the working group meetings are required to operate under the
same voting procedures as does T10 (that is, one vote per organization) and
the results of a working group are not binding on the parent committee. Ad hoc
groups should strive to achieve consensus prior to bringing issues to T10.
Bob Snively moved that T10 authorize the T10-related meetings and events in
the list above that had not previously been approved through the end of
December 2004. Bill Galloway seconded the motion. In the absence of any
objections, the motion passed unanimously.
15. Adjournment
John Lohmeyer moved and Ralph Weber seconded that the meeting be adjourned. In
the absence of any objections, the motion passed unanimously. The meeting was
adjourned at 11:55 a.m. on Thursday November 11, 2004.
Enclosure(1) -- Meeting Attendees
Name S Organization
------------------------------------ -- ------------------------------------
Mr. Tim Symons P Adaptec, Inc.
Ms. Pat Thaler P Agilent Technologies
Mr. Brian Miller A Amphenol Interconnect
Mr. Noud Snelder V BDT
Mr. Paul Griffith AV Broadcom Corp.
Mr. Robert Snively P Brocade Comm. Systems, Inc.
Mr. David Peterson P CNT
Mr. Dexter Anderson P Crossroads Systems, Inc.
Mr. James A. Lott, Jr. P Dallas Semiconductor
Mr. Kevin Marks P Dell, Inc.
Mr. Gary S. Robinson P EMC Corp.
Mr. Robert H. Nixon P Emulex
Mr. Ralph O. Weber P ENDL Texas
Mr. Douglas Wagner P FCI
Mr. Elwood Parsons P Foxconn Electronics
Mr. Mike Fitzpatrick P Fujitsu
Mr. Michael Banther V Hewlett Packard Co.
Mr. Rob Elliott P Hewlett Packard Co.
Mr. Zane Daggett P Hitachi Cable Manchester
Mr. Dan Colegrove P Hitachi Global Storage Tech.
Mr. George O. Penokie P IBM / Tivoli Systems
Mr. Robert Sheffield P Intel Corp.
Mr. David Hawks P Iomega Corp.
Mr. John Lohmeyer P LSI Logic Corp.
Mr. Martin Czekalski A Maxtor Corp.
Mr. Mark Evans P Maxtor Corp.
Ms. Emily Hill P Microsoft Corp.
Mr. Jay Neer P Molex Inc.
Mr. Mark Overby V Nvidia Corp.
Dr. Terence J. Nelson P Panasonic Technologies, Inc
Mr. William P. McFerrin P Philips Electronics/CD Edge
Mr. Bill Galloway P Pivot3, Inc.
Ms. Rachelle Trent P PMC-Sierra
Mr. Craig W. Carlson A QLogic Corp.
Mr. Greg Elkins V QLogic Corp.
Mr. Paul Entzel P Quantum Corp.
Mr. Jim Coomes A Seagate Technology
Mr. Alvin Cox V Seagate Technology
Dr. Paul Suhler V Seagate Technology
Mr. William Martin V Sierra Logic
Mr. Erich Oetting P Storage Technology Corp.
Mr. Vit Novak P Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Mr. Robert Kando A Texas Instruments
Ms. Ashlie Fan P TycoElectronics
Mr. Dan Gorenc A TycoElectronics
Mr. Roger Cummings P Veritas Software
Mr. David Allen AV Vitesse Semiconductor
Mr. Curtis Stevens P Western Digital
48 People Present
Status Key: P - Principal
A,A# - Alternate
AV - Advisory Member
L - Liaison
V - Visitor